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jana_mrad
Number of posts : 196 Age : 38 Registration date : 2007-05-15
| Subject: do u believe in fate? Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:57 am | |
| what do u think about "fate" = "al kadar" does it exist? do u believe in it? if yes why? if no why? peace | |
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jana_mrad
Number of posts : 196 Age : 38 Registration date : 2007-05-15
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:02 am | |
| i know that u'll all say that in christianity there's no fate and l insan moukhayar w 7orr w hek ichya but iza betfakro mni7 bil ichya lli betsir betla7zo inno l insen manno totally moukhayyar for example: mara neyme bi bayta fa alab l 7et 3laya w metit, haida mich 2adar? syara mechye 3al autostrade w faj2a btou2a3 3laya syara tenye aw sakhra min tene autostrade so bimout l chauffeur , haida mich adar? i'[m waiting for ur opinions peace | |
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Rami.Hosni
Number of posts : 365 Age : 42 Localisation / Branch MJO : Paris /Tripoli-Mina Registration date : 2007-03-19
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:42 pm | |
| On nous apprenait en terminale dans la philosophie cet exemple Une pierre tombe sur la tête de Pierre. Ca s'appelle le Hazard. Quel hazard que la pierre tombe juste au moment ou Pierre passait.
Kadar ca veut dire celui "que Dieu a préparé" (kadar= mè kaddara llahou lahou). et je pense que Dieu a préparé le salut et la joie et la consolation pour tout le monde. Dire que Dieu a préparé un accident, ou a fait tombé un mur ou a envoyé une maladie est sans sens.
Si Ronaldino tire le ballon du milieu du terrain et touche le poteau de la cage, ce n'est pas Quel 2adar, mais quel Hasard, ou quel chance! | |
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jana_mrad
Number of posts : 196 Age : 38 Registration date : 2007-05-15
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:44 am | |
| so rami u distinguished between fate and hazard but what is exactly "hazard"?? what is it all about? | |
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Michel.Dib
Number of posts : 348 Age : 43 Localisation / Branch MJO : LEBANON/Tripoli Registration date : 2007-03-22
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:29 pm | |
| Jana u said that 2adar is: mara neyme bi bayta fa alab l 7et 3laya w metit... i say the person who build the 7et ma baneh mni7 (2assar bi chighlo) so the wall falled after some time or i say the wall is very old and th women did want to repair it, or didn't think in that ....
Jana u said that 2adard is: syara mechye 3al autostrade w faj2a btou2a3 3laya syara tenye aw sakhra min tene autostrade so bimout l chauffeur i said the second driver was driving so fast so he made the accident.... the person who build the road did take all the security and left a rock above the road so it felt and a person die....
so after all i say it is a decision made by an unkown man but sometime it happen by hazard as rami said it happened.... | |
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jana_mrad
Number of posts : 196 Age : 38 Registration date : 2007-05-15
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:22 am | |
| ok micho i understand but chou khass lli meto??? henne ma gholto bi chi chou khasson henne? hayda mich adaron? | |
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b.skaf
Number of posts : 266 Age : 41 Localisation / Branch MJO : CHARBILA/AKKAR Registration date : 2007-03-20
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:29 pm | |
| jana ma ti7taddi ktir lol i have two points to add to what rami and mish said: 1- i beleive in probability and statistics.. evry thing that happens have its own probability to happen (which rami called hazard) 2- i disagree with rami on the point that god brings joice, (youkkaddir lilness alfara7 walaysa al7ouzin) and i say what the book of widom says about tha; alsidikou kalnakhlati youzhir... kena a3ishou bayna alkhata2ati fanakalahou, khatafahou kay le toughayir alrazila 3aklahou.. is this enough? | |
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Y.
Number of posts : 425 Registration date : 2007-03-24
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:36 pm | |
| i agree totaly with micho and rami , mais je veux ajouter qelques choses. pour moi comme une definition de "alkadar" c'est ce que dieu a decidé pour l'homme, et comme ca on peut demontrer que al kadar est contre la christianisme et contre dieu" pourqoui?? raisonnons par l'absurde: ca dire supposons que dieu a decidé toute la ville de l'homme !! que passe -t-il?
1)la priere n'est pas de tout necessaire car dieu aura decidé nos affaires et par suite si on va etre des saints ou non.
2)chafa3at al keddissin : n' a pas de sens si dieu a decidé tous(ce qui est faux)
3) al 3adala al ilahiya: n'a pas de sens
4)al jihad lel woussoul ila allah : n'est pas necessaire
5)3inayat allah : n' a pas de sens , parce que dieu a tous ecidé(ce qui est faux)
donc si alkadar existe al massi7iya n'existe pas
enfin dieu n'a pas tous decidé mais il connait tous(allah kolliyou al ma3rifa)et il ya une tres grande difference | |
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Rami.Hosni
Number of posts : 365 Age : 42 Localisation / Branch MJO : Paris /Tripoli-Mina Registration date : 2007-03-19
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:27 am | |
| Jannoun, j'ai l'impression que ta question c'est pourquoi Dieu permet que cela arrive et ne l'arrete pas? c bien ca? | |
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Michel.Dib
Number of posts : 348 Age : 43 Localisation / Branch MJO : LEBANON/Tripoli Registration date : 2007-03-22
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:38 pm | |
| tu est en effet rami formidable oui je croit que c'est la question? toi Jana | |
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b.skaf
Number of posts : 266 Age : 41 Localisation / Branch MJO : CHARBILA/AKKAR Registration date : 2007-03-20
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:21 pm | |
| shabeb tawlou belkounnnnnnnnnnn khalou jana tridd | |
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jana_mrad
Number of posts : 196 Age : 38 Registration date : 2007-05-15
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:52 am | |
| hehhehehhehehehheh af7amtoune chabeb w bacho ana ma 7taddet i think inno ma 3am nefham 3a ba3ed, manna 3a zet l mawje non c'est pas ma question li2anno alla khala2na 7orrin so iza tdakhal bikoun 3am bi3ared 7orryetna ma hek? ana ma 3am benkor l 7orrye lli 3atana yeha alla w yalle hye mou2addase bil masi7ye w kermel hek btestab3id ossit l kadar! bass kamen fi ichya tenye betsir 3a moustawa l chakhes(iza akhadne ka chakhes la 7alo bidoun ma norobto bi nes aw 3awemil tenye hye kherje 3an iradto w 7orryto) w hal ichya btet3arad bi nazare ma3 7orryto w bihal 7ale mafroud alla yetdakhal ta ma yonzolem l chakhes masalan bi exemple l mara lli metet lamma we2e3 3laya l 7et into fassartoua inno lli 3ammar l 7et m3ammaro khese3 aw sar adim aw la asbeb tenye ma ela 3ale2a bi alla (asbeb bacharye) bas ana belnesbe la ele hal mara lli metet ma khassa billi 3ammar l 7et wala bi ayya sabab min hol hye neyme bi bayta , so l fekra inno lli 3ammar l 7et bi tari2a mich mazbouta ken 7orr billi 3emlo w 7orryto t3aradet ma3 7orryet lli metet bil 7ayet w haida yalle houe marfoud bass lal asaf mawjoud w ana bsammi kadar! ma ba3ref iza woslit l fekra fi exemple tene 3an walad khele2 bi 3ayle 3atle w t3azzab ktirrr bi7ayeto, haida ma na2a 3aylto wala na2a 7ayeto wala na2a yekhla2 wala ken 7orr bi chi peace | |
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b.skaf
Number of posts : 266 Age : 41 Localisation / Branch MJO : CHARBILA/AKKAR Registration date : 2007-03-20
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:08 pm | |
| jana, fi 2aw2at rabna byikhtar 3annik iza inti ma fiki tikhtari, min kam yom 3iyadna la mawlid elnabi youhana, elmalek 2al la zakaria satakoun abkam asam hatta yasir laka heza li2annaka lam tousadik kalemi ana jibra2il 2alwekif amema allah, yi3na 3a2abou la zakaria bi 2an rabatlou lsenou, wkamen lamma zahar elmalek 3ala el3adra, khabbara bil bishara wsa7i7 innou el3adra 2alit he ana 2amatoun lil rabb bass el2ikhtiyar wa2a3 3laya min 2abl, fa rabna iza tdakhala byitdakhal la masla7it elbashariyeh killa, byitdakhal iza fi turning point ktir mhimmi biterikh elbashariyeh, mitil lamma zahar 3ala yousouf w2allou koum khouz alsabiy wa2oumouhou wahroub ila masr. bass iza elmara wa2a3 3laya elheit whiyeh ma khassa: ana bis2alik sou2al nihna shou elhadaf min hayetna 3al 2ard??? innou nikhla2 n3ish winmout??? ma houwi kill sirr eltajassoud mishen hatta ni2dar nirja3 la 3ind allah, fa iza rabna arrar yekhoud rouha shou 2ilik ma3ou??? khatafahou kay le toughayir alrazila 3aklahou... kena ya3ish bayna alkhata2a fa nakalahou, ma hek??? allrabou 2a3ta alrabou akhaz, law alla mish radi innou tmout sad2ini wlaw shana2it hala bihabli 2aw 2ata3it rasa ma rah tmout | |
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Michel.Dib
Number of posts : 348 Age : 43 Localisation / Branch MJO : LEBANON/Tripoli Registration date : 2007-03-22
| Subject: Re: do u believe in fate? Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:30 pm | |
| yes jana a lot of time the freedom of other step over our freedom..... this is not 2adar.... it was not 2adar jesus an youslab but it was the freedom of choice of juif and juda!!! sometime God yatadakhal but why and when i don't know...... i will be God if i know!!!! | |
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