les homosexuels

dear elie and all

its clear that our bible teach us all about these ppl and the sin they do.... there is nothing called they were born like that in my opinion its an evil trick a mind set that the devil use it to convince pll like us that they have pshychological problems and or they born like that. this is wrong "zakaran wa 2ountha khalakahoume" whe have to fight such sin not the persons...

hakkan kam

hello bashir
for this subject i didn't give any opinion.i'm just asking questions!!!bass in ur opinion :ما هي الطريقة لكي يخلصوا يوم الدينونة؟

i cant judge them, its up to god, allah yashe2 anna elkoul yakhlousou; no comments

ino sara7a based on some biology information bi kil tawadou3, byi2dar ykoun ashkhas khil2o hek bi ghalat bi their chromosom..so some of them cant help it but others akid bikouno just they want to try ..so yalli bikoun hek akid 3am yittibi3 shahwito..so i guess its not ok.but of course we can not judge anyone since we r not better:)

Hey All.

First I want to say that this is one of the most sensitive topics for me.

I ve studied in the CS course at the univ. that according to Freud, Homosexuality is one psycho-sexual disease (fixation).
Freud says that the majority of homosexual people have psychological problem not biological. Bashir we can't deny that some people are born with biological deviation in their sexual Genes and there glands excrete hormones of different sex (but these are rare cases- it's a bit like Mongolian).
But everything else is crazy(bel nesbeh la 2eleh).

I forget in which letter, but st Paul in a letter mentioned that homosexuality is a sin, he equate it with stealing, lying...

As for me I consider these people as sexual maniacs. They do anything to satisfy theire stupid sexual pleasure.
I consider them like a cancer in the society.

I think that in our society gays are more than Lesbian (3a 7add 3elmeh). anyway, both try to steal an experience from young people. they try to tell them there is nothing wrong in doing this. and most of the time young people fall into their trap.

I believe that homosexuality is a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig problem in society.

but the question is how to deal with them?????

But I emphasis on that we should not say it's ok , it's normal , it's freedom. I hope that every normal man and woman in general and every Christian in particular stand against this epidemic phenomena and fight it.
how ? ( I don't know exactly. at least refuse that it's normal)

w Allah yinajjina .

hi all
yesteflo hinni 7errin
allah biy2oul la toudinou kay la toudanou
ne7na meen minkoun la ne7kom 3a bachar mitlna mitloun?
bas ana ra2yi iza ken hal chi biologique fiyoun mne2dar netfahhamoun , bass iza keno 3am ye3melo hek just for fun, ino la2 lezem yet7akkamo aw chi
bas mich ino na3mel mitil l islam w ntaleb bi atloun !! c'est barbare!

al massi7 kam.
j'ai quelques idees a propos ce sujet.
mais au debut fouad, l'epitre (alrissala) qui mentionne ce que vous avez dit ,est celle de Saint Paul aux Corinthiens(1cor 6: 9,10,11). Dans ces 3 versets(eyett) Saint Paul donne aux Corinthiens des exemples sur ceux qui ne vont pas etre dans le royaume de dieu; et il mentionne dans cet exemple ( mou3achiri al zoukour) où il dit que c'est interdit a eux d'entrer le royaume de dieu.
j'ai deux idees a discuter:
1) إذا كان االشخص الذي يمارس الشذوذ من أجل اشباع شهواته وتلبية رغباته الجنسية التي لم يعد يستطيع وضع حد لها بسبب اسرافه بالجنس أو بسبب الكبت الجنسي
فهذا مخالف للأناجيل ولله وللأخلاق

2) إذا كان الشخص قد ولد شاذاً أو كان ضحية عقدة نفسية ؛ كما حدث مع طفل كان ينام مع أهله على نفس السرير , وكان يراهما يمارسان الجنس باستمرار , فأصبح شاذاً عندما كبر(tele lumiere).

7akan kkam.

dear all.
i did not deny that a man could be born with cromosom xxy or a girl will have some genes in her body that does not accept men,
i said that this is a sin... im not talkin about biology in here, at the end god is the one who gave this structure, do we say that god loves sin ??? "7asha" as fouad says and as i said it has nothing to do with biology; sexual cells and chromosoms does not control the mind the mind control such things. ba3den i totally stand against ppl that say "yistiflou" they free to do what they want" their freedom stops when my freedom start, it is our duty to teach them the right thing and to hate their sins but love them i cant leave them alone cos i have a word to transmit, god bless you all

their freedom stops when ur freedom starts??!! lech hinni kif 3am yet3arradoulak?!! (and im just talking about the ones who have it in their genetics ya3ni mafroud 3alayoun mich par choix hini hek)
akid hini free as long as they are bot bothering 7adan ! iza badou yikoun ma3 chab yikoun! iza ken zalami edami w byetsarraf sa7 ma3 kill 3alam w biye7terem kil l 2awénin w méchi 3al nizam , bas michkelto l wa7idi ino allah khala2o hek , why would you deprive him from that? asslan inta bi ayya 7a2 fik ta3mel hal chi!?
iza ija 7adan hala2 w allak trok sa7ibtak aw 7abibtak aw whatsoever li2ano fi 7adan mich mwefa2 3a 3ale2itkoun w hal chi 3am yet3adda 3a "7erriyto", chou bet2ello?

Je pense aussi que la liberté nous exige de ne pas les condamner.
chacun fait ce qu'il veut.
mais il faut défendre la liberté et le bon sens des autres
cad il faut défendre la bonne éducation des enfants pour cela il faut pas permettre aux homo d'adopter des enfants (homoparentalité) now accepted as a law in 2 or 3 pays en Europe.
Autre exemple, il ne faut pas permettre l'ordination des pretres homo., c'est une question de proteger elkahanout.

marie-juliette khawly wrote:

hi all
yesteflo hinni 7errin
allah biy2oul la toudinou kay la toudanou
ne7na meen minkoun la ne7kom 3a bachar mitlna mitloun?
bas ana ra2yi iza ken hal chi biologique fiyoun mne2dar netfahhamoun , bass iza keno 3am ye3melo hek just for fun, ino la2 lezem yet7akkamo aw chi
bas mich ino na3mel mitil l islam w ntaleb bi atloun !! c'est barbare!

Ana ma betlob bi shi tijehon gheir enno yidewo nafson men hal marad.
Ana ma ba3rif iza bdinon walla la2. eh bass akid bdin bi ouweh tasaroufeton. w berfoda lal ekhhir. Lok w yalli byie2hor enno 3am tsir el shaghleh 3adeh. ma bisir , laaa ma bisir hal shi. lezim ma ne2bal . 3al Alileh ana ma be2bal bi tasarroufeton el shezzeh.

ok thats where i provoqued u
im just saying that people who have it in their DNA cant do anything about it as far as i know and they have to live that way

ana mich 3am defe3 3anon killon , im just talking about the ones who cant do anything about it , mich the ones yalli 3emlina mmouda now and just for fun

halla2 we cant tell 4 sure min haydi tabi3to w min 3am ye3mela hek lal tassliyi , bas what im saying ino when we see something wrong akid we should fight it , mathalan dont let them adopt coz the kid will be lost what to think having 2 daddies or 2 mommies or dont let them be priests ,bass yalli ma fiyoun yikounou gher hek , lech ne7na badna ne7remon min hal chi , if as i said before , houwi zalami edami who acts by the rules and respects everyone, why deny him his right 2 be happy ? akid as long as ino mich 3an yet3adda 3a 7adan

I don't know what to say about genetically sexually malformed people.
Enno I guess that ma daroureh to perform their sexual homosexuality to be happy (my opinion).
But The point is the other type of homos the one Ive mentioned before where homosexuality as a psychological fixation. it's a disease as Freud describes it it's like pedophilia (sexual fixation toward children) and other...
And most of the time these homos try to sexually yet7asharro bel young people even rape them.
Anyway , sorry iza benfe3il bass fi mwadi3 btestafazzneh and this is one of them .

So you didn't provoke me Marie-J , it's just the topic

if u consider what u r saying is infi3al , what do classify my responses??

well would u be happy if u had to live ur whole life as celibat?? ( without sex although the woman u love is in front of you??) try to be in their shoes for this reply
I read ur post somewhere that marriage without a sexual relation could never last , so I think I can predict ur answer

the other type is surely a disease w ana mich 3am defe3 3anon , khssoussi if they assault little kids , so allah ye8mina menoun w yehdiyoun

je pense enou 3enna un grand reference:la bible
et la bible n'autorise plus"mou3acharat al zoukour" deuis ssefer al takwin. pourqoui???
"li2annahou moukhalef li nizam altabi3a allazi wada3ahou alkhalek".
et on a mentionné quelques versets.
marie juliette a dt qu'il faut l'autorisé pour un groupedes homosexuels qui est né comme_çà pour etre hereux.
je pense et pas seul moi, tous les peres saints de l'eglise,qu'il ny a pas de la joie hors de dieu.
c'est pas cette"in7iraf" qui va assurer la joie a ces homosexuels, mais c'est jesus et seulement jesus.
so je pense que por ce groupe là 3alayhon an youjahidou wa yakma3ou chahawaton comme nous tous et surtout les moines,pour attindre jesus
almassi7 kam 7akkan kam

Put myself in their shoes. dakhilik baleha hay

ana ra2yeh enno eh yi3ish celibater w fi ktiiir ashiya bel 7ayet gher el sex btebsoto .
Enno fo ktiir senarios iza we7ed tkhayyalon biyenfelij. masaln iza ken 7ada men wledo heik. ya3neh biye2bal enno ebno ymeris el shouzouz. sa3beh hay. ect...

w ya Rab Or7am.

lallous! kill marra u tell me he hs ino youjahid!!
and i asked u once and u said ino jesus himself ma 7iki chi 3an l mawdou3 , then u told me ino 7aki l roussoul houwi 7aki jesus , bas jesus 7eki 3an ktir ktir achya bil injil , bas hayda l chi ma al chi 3ano , so i guess ino we can change some things!!

fouad! u still havent answered my question!
ok ma t7ett 7alak in their shoes , bas try to think for a second about my question , akid ino u wont really be in that situation , bas just what if!!!

i know what u r saying , nchalla God wont put us through that suffer of having a homosexual kid , iza ken genetically , i dont know what we should do , ana chakhsiyan i cant tell chou bfakker wa2ta , bas iza 3refna kif nrabbih w akhadneh 3end 7oukama min wate le houwi zghir , i hope ina te2dar ten7al hal machkal!

w allah la yijareb 7adan!

c'est st paul qui a ecrit marie juliette mich min maken
w st paul katab bi wa7i men el rou7 el kodoss yalli ija ba3ed jesus 7ata ykamel 3amalou la jesus. wa 2ella ken 2a3ad rabna 2000 ans 7ata yjewib 3ala as2iletna w ma khalass.

ba3den ne7na manna metel el protestant "al kitab a moukadass 7assran" fi chi esmou al taklid al moukadass yalli houwi 3amal al rou7 bel knissé menou mnekhod ktir te3lim. wiza kel chaghli bedna nchouf jesus iza 7eki 3anna aw la2 w ne3mol 3ala zawe2na:el knissé btenhar.

jesus ma 7eki masslan 3an el pedophilie, het tan chare3aa!!!!
akid laaa2222

I don't know. If you want a direct answer. enno bighadd el nazar 3an el sex. Not being able to live with the woman we love is hard on everyone including me . But I dont' want to apply this on homosexuality.

lallousss i will tell u and every one else!!

all my answers in this forum are based ONLY and ONLY on my opinion , coz i dont know much about the bible , the church and the 7araki , im learning though from all ur answers

akid ma lezem ncharre3 l pedophilie!! ana like i told u min chway ,im not suggesting ino nghayyer chi aw n3addelo , coz min ana bl niheyi!! bas im talking about things that we can change and be flexible about , bi charet ino hal teghyir ma yder 7adannnn , thats all!

ok fouad! ur answer is good enough 4 me ! merci

It was an active discussion today.

I have to go and rest for a while .

yalla take care.

what i will say will seem maby khayeleh or nasareh (theoric), but it's my faith:
1- i think jesus christ is more important than m wife or my children or anything else, so yes i can imagine my self without sex or celibrate all my life, when my face is towrad jesus. isn't this what the rouhban do?
2- but marying without having sex is abnormal, cause why to marry? i'm not sayingthat mararge have the purpose of sex, but sex relation is the "kimat" al houb, and the way to get children (which is one of the purpose of nmarrage).
marrage is for love and children and for christ finally cause i will ke a christan family, without sex i'm not giving all my love, not having child, not having christan family??? so why this marrage is.
in evrything there's exception but generally marrage without sex is harta2a.

michel , I agree with you in the second point coz marriage without a sexual relationship is absurd , its even one of the reasons where the church permitts to have a divorce

I agree also that Jesus is more important than anything in our lives but i just cant imagine myself living alone for the rest of my life! i dont think i have all that strengh and all that faith!
I beleive that in founding a family , I can teach my children to love jesus from all their hearts ,and that way, jesus can still be the most important one in all our lives

yes u agree with me mary, cause that what i'm saying,
for me if i feel i'm able to live without marrage kounit 3imilet raheb,
but because i know my needs and my power....
but when i was saying if the problem or the choice is between jesus and marrage or all over the world, i'm ready to pass all my love alone....