god the mercyfull

guys what do u thing about god in the old testement, some ppl got the idea that he is a killer

i think god never change!!!
he's the same!!

thats true michel . God is the same now and before
the difference is that in the old testament , maybe people didnt know all that much about him , tout ce qu'ils savaient était grace à leurs prophètes et peut être qu'ils n'avaient pas une image bien claire de l'infinie bonté de notre Dieu
but after he sent us Jesus to save us from our sins , we started beleiving more and more in him , li2anno sar 3enna chi concret nessade2o
thats at least what I think

hello all
yemken tkoun hay harta2a bass ana b2oul inno lezim ychilo l 3ahd l adim min l knise coz lfekra 3an alla ktirrrrr bech3a w plz ma t2ouloule inno hye ela 3ale2a bil zaref lli nkatab fi l 3ahd l adim w l moujtama3 w inno fi ktir roumouz w etc... coz ba3refon kellon bass ana masalan ma b7ebb l mazmour yalli fi: "allazi daraba l mesryin ma3 abkarihem" "alazi katala mouloukan 2a3izza2 allelulia"... w ne7na bi kell fakher menrattel hal mazmour 3al mounewale!!!

alla lli mne3bado houe 2ileh ra7me metel ma mawjoud bil 3ahd l jdid w bass

peace

allah youhibb alkhati2 wayakrah alkhatia, i agree with u jana

this is a long subject jana, i will prepare a answer, becasue what u said is very dangerous..... please read ahi3ya 1, specially between 10 and 20......
u must beleive his this same, it's as if jesus is talking...

* ashi3ya al is7a7 al awal.

ana mech ma3kon abadan jana and bachir, c'est pas de tout vrai!!!!!!!!!
c'est un tres grand sujet que vous avez ouvert jana:
je m'excuse pour mon long post.
on peut discuter ce sujet de differents angles , moi je veux le prendre de la partie concernant le messie incarné(almassi7 al moutajassid)
fi albad2 kana al inssan fi charika (mech eti7ad) ma3 allah.
ba3d ssoukout adam wa 7awa2 ,enfassala al jenss al bachari 3an al ilah, fa assba7a al bachar fi enkita3 3an allah 7atta ba3da al mawt ,7ata wlalaw kano abraran.
fa bada2a allah yo3ed al bachar, et en particulier cha3bahou al moukhtar 7inaha, li tajassodihi 3ala al ard , walaken kana yourid an yafham al bachar ma3na haza al tajassod wa ma3na i3adat iti7adahom bel llah alazi enfassalou 3anhou fi al soukout.
lam yakon yourid an yorssel ebnahou al wa7id moubacharatan li2anahou kana yourid an yo3ed al jenss al bachari li esstekbal allah
fa arssala anbiya2aho wa arssala al chari3a al oula 3abra moussa , lam yakon yasstati3 nacher ta3alim al massi7 waktaha li kassawat kouloubihim, fa arada an yo3idahom awalan 3abra ta3alim al chari3a allati kammalatha fima ba3d ta3alim al massi7.
izan al 3ahd al kadim nafham 3abrahou kayfa a3adda allah al bachar likay yasstakbilouh wa yafhamou al 3ahd aljadid et voici ci dessus l'explication.
lamma 7ana mel2 2al zaman tajassada all2ilah , wa wa7ada al bachar bel llah wa saba abwab al ja7im wa fata7a al ferdawss, fa assba7a yomkinouna an nata2allah.
aussi on voit dans les textes des prophetes:ache3ya,ermia,daniel,7azkiel, noubou2at li ta3lim al cha3eb 3ala maji2 al massi7. ila darajat an 2otlika 3ala al nabi eche3ya :"alenjili al khamess".
so kol alkitab nafe3 lel wa3ez wal ta3lim. bidoun al 3ahed al kadim la yomkinouna abadan fahem lahout al 3ahed al jadid.
c'est impossible.
quant'à al mazamir , sayedna jorge a dit plus qu'une fois que kol hazihi al alfaz (ce que jana a dit about al massriyin aw al a3da2) ta3ni :al cherir , alchaytan fi yawmina haza.
coz wa2ta le peuple a pensé que dieu est un dieu du gerre.
hakaza fahimou allah.wa hakaza fahimou al massi7 (un mesie belliqueux)(mo7ib lel 7arb youkhalissahom men al romain).
en resumé ,on peut dire que : al kitab al moukadass bi 3ahdayh sselssila la tatajaza2 , 7ata nefham 3amal allah ma3 el bachar badna nerja3 lel 3ahed el adim ejbari.
nchalah tkoun wesslit ahamiyet el 3ahed el kadim
sorry la 2enni tawalet.

yesslam hal temm lallous!!!
keep writing all these stuff! they are really enlightening

chou chabeb agree or not about the importance of existence of the old testament ??why u didn't reply?jana ,bcahir,...

elias i did not agree with jana on taking the old testement off i agreed with her on the sentence: ""allazi daraba l mesryin ma3 abkarihem" "alazi katala mouloukan 2a3izza2 allelulia"... w ne7na bi kell fakher menrattel hal mazmour 3al mounewale!!! "

buhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... u got me wrong, but how do u wanna tell someone coming to the church for the first time that god is love and he sacrificed for us by giving us his body and blod, and you sing "allazi katala mouloukan a3izze2""""""""""
make sence

i think te old test. is very essential but we need to know how to use it carefully. there is lot of stories made by humans who tought about god as he savior from danger and the leader in wars like mohamad in islam

hi kifkon kelkon
ana badde elkon enno l 3ahd l 2adim ktir mhemm w ma fina nefham l 3ahd l jadid bala ma nerja3 chwey lal 3ahd l 2adim.
bass i agree ma3 bachir w jana bi 2esset l mazamir lli bte7ki 3an l misriyin li2anno ne7na bass ne2ra mnefham l 2ased bass 7ayalla chakhes ma ra7 ye2dir yestaw3ebon aw yefham asdon.10x.
PASCALE

nice to read a post from u pascale.
i agree with u pascale , bachir and jana about the mazamir ,and i've mentioned .and i think it is necessary that we do "essla7 al litorgia."

thats it......... wa'khiran,
nice hearing fom u pascal, but in what way ma fina nifham el3ahd eljdid without the old testement, i used to read the bible when i was 10 yrs of age, thtas 15 yrs ago and i never felt i am not understanding because there is somehing missing i did not read before

Welcome Pascale & waiting your post in "introduce yourself" and your photo too
sinon, comme tout le monde le sait, (et comme a précisé Jana) je ne vais pas répéter que l'ancien testament est compris dans son contexte et tout... on est tous d'accord que c'est le même Dieu pour les 2 testaments.
Il n'est pas question, que Jesus était attendu dans l'ancien et ensuite, il s'est incarné dans le nouveau. donc je pense que l'ancien n'a plus autant d'importance que le nouveau.
C'est pour ca, il n'est plus lu dans la liturgie.
cela dit, ne vaut pas dire que l'ancien est ss importance, car autant qu'on veut comprendre le nouveau il faut revenir à l'ancien, l'évangile de Mathieu est presque en entier lié à l'ancien.

Une fois un immeuble construit, l'ingénieur le regarde et il comprend, mais s'il veut s'appronfondir, il étudie son plan.

Personnellement, je pense que la liturge n'est pas un catéchisme, il faut qu'on soit impliquer dans l'église pour comprendre la liturgie.

Meme le nouveau ( et toute littérature) doit etre lu dans son contexte, sinon on comprend mal (je ne viens pas poser la paix sur la terre, mais une épée!!)

Je m'enfiche du passager qui ne comprend pas la communion, ou les mots qui lui font peur (israel, Sion...)

dans ton idee finale rami je ne suis pas d'accord: peux-tu m'expliquer bi mazamir el ghouroub:"messla ssamn al ard al monchakki 3ala al ard taba3ssarat 3izamahom 7awla al koubour."??????????????
ana je n'arrivais pas a l'expliquer de tout.
so al issla7 al litorgi est necessaire. bel2alili un bonne traduction des textes originaux hebreux et greques.
et c'est syedna jorge qui a parlé de darourat al essla7 et il a donné un exemple:"al minawon",qui est assez pauvre.
qu'en dis-tu?

i agree with u elias, we need a change

hx to u guys my french is getting vetter
a demain, je veux dormir bonne nuit

in fact guys!!
i want to go further!!!
i don't think there is a problem if God killed all the egyptien that where going to kill his people!!!
what is the problem about a God that defend his people?!
i don't think there is deferance between God that defend his people by killing his enemes and by Jesus!!!
" w amnah lmoulikina al mou2minin al ghalaba 3ala al barbar" i don't see problem in that!!!

Je suis d'accord aussi Elie qu'on devra changer des choses.
mais aussi, un bon "Adè2" est important, et une étude des textes aussi. Meme dans la langue originale, ce n'est pas facile de comprendre les psaumes par ex.
Une fois, j'ai passé une soirée avec maman pour chercher les mots difficiles de la prière du soir dans le dictionnaire.

Autre tarjamé: "missla tal3attin min ramlin tanfaritou taba3ssarat 3izamouhoum"

hi all
first, micho i totally disagree with u coz god doesn't fight nor kill that's against our beliefs our GOD is a GOD of mercy.

second, yemken ykoun l 3ahd l adim 3ndo ahammye inno 7addar lal 3ahed l jdid bass be3te2ed inno yalle chef l masi7 w 2eman fi w 2ere l 3ahd l jdid manno ba2a bi7aje la chi adim w metel ma 2al bashir ana kamen min ana wzghire bo2ra l injil w wala marra 7asset inno lezim 2e2ra marja3 tene ta efhamo bil 3akes kenet kill ma 2e2ra chi min l 3ahed l adim 7ess inno 3asara la 2ele:roll:

peace

i disagree with u micho .
how do u explain:"allah ma7aba"??
and allah katal al massriyin??
there is contradiction mech hek??

and i disagree with u jana about old testament
and i said in my post on this topic why!!
wal ssob7ou lelahi da2iman

guys there is no contradiction in the two testements
there is another meaning (abstract) majezi for wat is written,
misho god wont kill te egyptians because they too are as well (jablat yadayh) rimember wat god told prohet younen about ninawa the greate and its ppl, thats our god he loves the sinner but hates the sin, god did not kill egyptians as human but egyptians as an idea (wathana) other wise we wont have martyres in our church but ppl dying because god is defending his own ppl as u called them, now if someone beleives in god and got prisoned by "3abadat 2awthen" then according to ur saying god will kill them and we wont have a martyre,
next
we say wamanaha 2alghalaba 3ala alshirir not barbar again this is an idiology that god is in war with the devil that is waring our bodies, do u beleive that god will kill a killer just because he is a killer or he will give him the chance to "ytoub" as he did with many....

i think God do what ever he want!!!
it's not me who i tell god what he must do, and what can express his love!!
God has his ways, when the bible told me that God killed the masriyin so he killed them but what i must search for what does this act reflect and what does that mean!!!
for me:
- God protect his people....
- God know that death isn't the end (finally he will bring with him all the dead from the koubour)....
- God love all mainkind but sometimes against evil he must act!! will he respond to killing by killing this a question i can't answer it now?! anyoone?

nice reply mich