le sexe avant le marriage??

c'est quoi votre point de vue pour ce sujet là??

theorically depend de deux definition:

what is considered as sex?
what is considered as marriage?

why we wnat to have sex before marriage? it's an essential question,
1- for love...... what is the definition of love?
as christan, love is when u sacrify ur self for others. and when two person love each others this love have also a purpose, this purpose is to create a church-family. so this love has a purpose, before acheiving this purpose this love is not yet complete, it's complete when i say to my church i'm ready to sacrify myself for this person and that i will make my own church(Family) with this person. then this love is completed (la2ani komtou bilta3ahoud), so the effect of this love is now accepted.
2-for fun...... (here i mean just for fun), then in this action there is no presence of God.
and when love exist, maby today i love him, but tomorrow no. so this love did not take his christan objective. so it's not yet love in my christan point of vue.
so here before making the important and difficult point, the point that will "tou2aked " my love (al ta3ahoud ama el jama3a). i'm doing sex. this indicate for me that the sex became more important and urgent than the ta3ahoud (love), while in fact the sex role is to help the christan family.
do i have to make sex for sex, or as expression of love (having a purpose of creating a christan family is included in the meaning of love) i do sex?

nice answer micho.
bass do think that the role of sex is only making a family ,having children,or houwi tarjami lal 7ob ba3ed el zawej?

akid elias sex is "fi3l elhoub" it is not love but it is the consecquence of love, unfortunatly it is not the case these days where ppl have sex for fun, which is a mistake we committe, mariage came as a solution for couples, as a grace of god that is with sex the couples are one. "waman lam yahtamil, falyatazawaj" as st paul says. i dont think we as christians should disagree on the point that sex before mariage is not "moubarak" even if it is the result of love between the couples.

some opinions think that the couple will live toghether untill one of them die and thats y they should have sex to c if they can live toghether in bed, in my opinion marriage is more than just sex in the bed and more than love to one another, it is a life a whole bunch of life.........

Not making love will most of the time lead to break the marriage. it's even in the Laws of the church.

agree fouad

I would like to write a developed article about this topic but I need to formulate my thoughts first.
Here I just want to mention some points.
first, what most of you might implicitly mention but was not clear in you posts guys. Sexual desire. Let us ask ourselves what do we think about it. Come on we all now the sexual desire is there even without love.

A second point is the sexual experience. I have no official statistics but I believe that people nowadays are encourage to have early sexual experience even by hearing about the beauty of that experience or to avoid critics from their friends if they know that they didn't have sex yet (17-18 years and sometimes much earlier).

3rd, sex is everywhere. almost everything in the society is related to sex, huh, sorry for the expressions but you don't have to go to a kabareh to see a person's ass ( a girl or a boy) you just pass behind people sitting on the stairs "wa tamatta3 ya basha". ya3neh shi bel marra felit.
Aslan in the market all pantalons are tailles bass ( I guess); Bebrom el deni to find a jeans which if i bind a bit it wont uncover my but (sorry 3al ta3bir no offense) but this is really bothering me.
Anyway we are going to reach a period (I guess it's already there to a big extent) in which having sex would become like dining in the restaurant.

Lok now in this moment if you type sex in a search engine, khod 3a saytet , huh.
and now, at this moment two people next to me are talking about a kabareh show huh.

My friend Marc Roumy did a small research about statistics on people searching and navigating adultery website. Numbers are "allah yestor". some numbers show the rate of children who visit pornographic website , shi bikhawwif (age 8-12).

al 7arakiyin has an ultimate weapon against this epidemic disease spreading and eating societies : the writings of Costy Bendaly about this Issue. we should find a way to spread them as an anti-dot to this social in7iraf iza sa77a el ta3bir.

Few, few people think about why this tartileh is said in the wedding ceremony : " Inna jibra2il iz i3tarahou el zouhoul, men baha2i 3ozriyatik, wa fa2iki lama3ani taharatik, hatafa na7waki ka2ilan ya walidatat el ilah....Ifra7i ya momtali2a ni3matan".

So, can anyone tell me why it is in the wedding ceremony?
w sorry iza khabbaset ...

no fouad ma khabbasit abadan haydi fasshit khili2 kilna minsherkak fiyya...

take care w2alla y2awik

7elou ktir monsieur fouad :"costy junior"
hala2 on peut conclure que le sexe malheureusement est la maladie de notre société ma3 enou houwi apres le marriage :moukadass est necessaire pour l'union de l'homme et la femme.
mais c'est quoi le sirope pour isoler cette maladie ??
est ce qu'on peut limiter "the sex desire" al moussaytara 3ala 3oukoul al chabeb bi chakel ghayr tabi3i ?

hi guys,

i totally agree with what michel and fouad said.but unfortunately our society became the society of desire where there is no limits or no "2i7tiram lal 2edeb l 3amme"..i mean at universities we can see a couple that cannot stop themseleves. in my opinion this doenot make them more open minded but in contrary it will show how much makboutin la nousal la hon..and the education must have a big role in guiding the teenagers because this is the most critical part to build ur personnality..
In my opinion sex is a way 2 show love for ur everlating partner in life and 2 build a christan family..
But having sex in order to have fun or "pleasure" is completely unaccepted in my believes

i share this opinion with u mireille,

what about the western society, it is normal to sleep with someone there isnt it???

How to solve the problem!!!
i think we can't!!
i think that the human is always in all history, is living in order to accomplish his own fun.
this fun is not simply sex, but also money, power, eat (and a lot). all this desires are sins, because they seems for us more important than "alakhar". this is the "3alam" which jesus refused.

originally all these desires are present at all times in all the history, but for the expressions of sex desires. it was sometimes hidden because of social ideas ....
what i'm trying to say, that what we are living now it's the expression of a desire that human was hidden it. so nowaday it's worsts that other times, but for me it's better...
let's the others express by the way they want, and as they want.. but for us christan we must also express our self and show our ideas by applying it in our life.
it's not concerning only sex but also about evry other desire....

Great Micho.
I think that all are ok that Sex is an expression of love.
But, what do you say for sleeping with his friend who he loves a lot?

Not only for fun, but because he loves her.?

Ma hon howeh el sou2el, Rami??? What if a sexual relation between a not married couple was driven by love?

for me it's for God to decide,

i think if this relation bitdal 3atoul, that's o.k.
if it last for some years or even less (this mean that love was not as real as it was thought), and the realtion become zina.

for me the same for married couple, when they divorce their all relation become zina , because there was no real love...

Don't zena involve someone tkhouno. how is the first case zina, if you are not already in a relation with someone else?

anta takhoun allah, l2ianaka takoum bi3alaka ma3 chakhs lam yatabalwar houbouka la7ou bilchakl el wadeh!!

if not yet married, we use "fousouk" instead of "zina"...

i don't agree Rami, bass mich ktir mouhim

aboulroum khaliyon yenetrou chway 7ata yekhdou baraket allah bi sser el zawej wba3dein ya3emlou yalli badon yeh!!!
wala chu ra2yak??

la2 , ba3den ma biya3emlo yalli baddon yeh. ya ekhweh. nen7a 3enna mafhoum el 3effeh 7atta domon el 3ale2a al zawjieh. Costy Bandaly ketib rawa2i3 3an hal mawdou3 . (fi kteb esmo Al zawaj: darm al 7ob wa moukhtabarihi" eh hayda sawra b7add zeto).

Guys ana bel mabda2 manni dodd. bass el afdal enno ma tsir el 3ale2a abel el 3ahd al nihe2eh amam allah wal kanisa(jama3at al mou2minin). (la2anno ana be3te2id baraket allah 7alleh men abel 3al couple...)

agree fouad. akid el 3effeh ba3ed el zawej mafrouda.

yess we but the couple don't need just baraket allah he needs also baraket al jame3a alati yantami ilayha li2anahoum jasad wahed, la fassel bayna lakanissa wa ra2souha (al massi7).
lihaza sir al zawaj youkam fi al koudass al ilahi, li2anahou mourtabet bi sir lajama3a...
today al zawaj asba7 i7tifal 3a2ili wa haza khata2, yousa7a7 3abra wad3 alakalil fi ala7ad al awal...
al zawaj yajeb an yakoun filkoudass....

Mich that What I was saying about el 3ahed amam al majmou3a.

but mishen fi el kouddass. Ma be3te2id btemsheh. li asbab 3amaliya

NO, FOUAD BITMICHI!!!
u now there are lot of experiance of person's who made the marriage in the koudass, exemple of jihad haidar!!!