le sexe avant le marriage??

well ya michel of cousre it works and no one can stop it, but the wedding day is a very special and intimate day ( at least for me!!) ,and doing it during the eddess wont make it so private , since u can not stop people from coming to church on a normal sunday morning.
I might not be friends with all the people from my church , even if we were "jassad we7ed" as u say, so I dont think having them all on my wedding day would be something pleasant!

Disagree Mich.
iza zabtit marra ma btezbt kell marra.
W disagree mary-J.
You can't separate between words and actions.

when you say: "even if we were "jassad we7ed" as u say, so I dont think having them all on my wedding day would be something pleasant! Smile"

it means that Jasad wa7id doesn't mean anything to you in deep.

Mich ta ma tefhamneh ghalat ana shakhsiyan bfaddil yikoun el 3ers bel koddas nhar el a7ad. bass li asbab 3amalieh fi yikoun gheir nhar ka 3eres wa7do. w fi tkoun kell el ra3ieh ma3zoumeh.

by the way isn't this topic about sex before mariage. kif sorna hone?????

fouad u got me wrong
i said : "even if we were "jassad we7ed" as u say, so I dont think having them all on my wedding day would be something pleasant!"
ya3ni ana kinit 3am oul 7assab ma 3am yi2oul michel and ablo elias , ino l ra3iyeh killa jassad we7ed , hayda l chi ma biye3ni ini bwefi2 3a hal idée!
ana chakhssiyan ma ktir mefakkra bi hal mawdou3 min abel , ba3dein ma ktir 7abbet fikrit ino ma fina netnewal 3ned ghayr tawa2ef li2ano manna "jassad we7ed " ! ma kilna massi7iyin bil akhir!

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marie j leish ma tna2di halik "killna masihiyiin" "ana ma ktir habbeit elfikra"
if u wanna walk a way, choose one, jesus said "lyakounou wehidan" if we are all one, then why it is not pleasant to have the whole "ra3iyeh" in the wedding ceremony,

back to the subject; fouad:
"zina" means when you get someone involved in between u and ur lover "thats y "nahnou nazni when we worship other gods, when we sleep with someone who is not our husband/wife
ext.... if the couple is not married then having sex simply in my opinion will not leave anything special for after marriage, and definatly is not an action of love, it might be just a desire, coz love is not only sex, it is sacrifice, willing to give willing to support, ..... thats what u call love, and sex is only the face of union and unity.... there is different stages of love, look to old couples, even though they are unable to have sex toghether anymore they still love each other and give all they have

ya 3ammeh ma 7adan 3am yefhamniiiii
awwal chi akid kellna massi7iyin and when i say that i mean ino orthodox w katolic w seriyan w arman w etccc... w kill hawdeh!!
killna lezem yikoun fina netnewal 3end ba3ed , min hal mountala2 ana elet ino kilnna we7ed
ma lezem nkoun la wa7dna ( orthodox ) we7ed , micheen hek ana ma 7abbet l fikra
bass iza kellna we7ed hayda l chi ma biye3ni abadan ini 2a3zem kill l ra3iyeh 3a my wedding day!
i said it should be private
ba3den mni7 ur answer 3an l zina w l meaning of love!

i think the difference between you and Michel is this
Michel think that Marriage is public for all ra3ieyh
and you you consider that is private.

true?

oui something like that!
ino in my opinion , its not logical ino tkoun kill l ra3iyeh in my wedding w ana fi kam 7adan I dont know or even I know and I dont like!
wa akhiran! 7adan fehemli rasseh
10x Rami!

Marju, do you accept that the Jennaz is still public??
why?

what do u mean by that? of course it has 2 be public? what do u think we should print out invitations and choose who should come share our grief and who should not!?!!
now if u are asking me that it should be done during the eddeess , of course I would have to say no , for the simple reason that not all people might know the deceased .
for me mathalan , if there is a memorial after the eddess , ana I leave the church right after the abouna gives us al barakeh , coz I dont see any reason to stay
well i answered as much as i understood what u asked
so if there is more to it , can u please explain 2 me what is it so I can answer according ?

Pourquoi tu considres que l'une est publique (jennez)et l'autre (3ress)privée?

u know , i saw that one coming
tout ce que j'ai déjà dis et tout ce que je dirais plus tard est de mon seul point de vue
le marriage est privé et il peut l'être parce que je peux inviter les personnes qui m'intéressent et qui j'aime le plus et qui je veux qu'ils partagent ma joie
les funérailles doivent aussi être privées mais ce n'est pas possible , du seul fait qu'on n'a pas eu l'habitude d'envoyer des cartes d'invitations aux funérailles
mais en tout cas , les gens qui viennent à ces funérailles sont , en général , les gens proches et les amis et tous ceux dont la personne décédée a touché leurs vies en quelque sorte. en plus, lors de la mort, tous les gens se réunissesnt pour supporter la famille du mort ,parfois quelques ennemies même viennent rendre hommage! ca n'existe pas si la personne est toujours vivante , et je ne veux certainement pas que mes ennemies spint dans mon mariage!

all I say is weddings and funerals should be private , but we can only control weddings , funerals are open to anyone!

Jame3a. shattayna ktir 3an el mawdou3.........

................ mnirja3 why is sex before marriage a mistake in the eyes of church??? and barakeh apres

Pour moi c'est simple,

Comme discuté, dans le sens humanitaire, le sexe est une langue d'amour.
et je pense, que le sommet de l'amour se traduit par un marriage.
c'est pour ca, le mariage vient en amont.

ce qu'il fallait demontré .rami .mni7a

hi
for me sex is an expression of love. yet i cannot express this until i get married because otherwise it would be a sin. i always ask myself how is expressing love a sin.
i find myself thinking that God is not waiting for me to get married to bless my love for the other person. i ask for his blessing every minute and i believe he gives it to me. and since he has blessed me what do i care about anything else.
on the other hand as a girl raised in Lebnon i am as we all are brain washed into thinking that anyone and especially a girl who has sex before marriage is "not a good person" and a sinner.
so here i am still standing before the eternal question
to have sex or not to have sex before marriage

rindala i have a remark about what u have said:" i ask for his blessing every minute and i believe he gives it to me."
the marriage is a "sser moukadass" so to be blessed we can not believe that god bless the marriage menna la 7alna, "who confirm the blessing of god??" al kahana ,can give it to us, who have the sultann from al rou7 al kodoss!
so i am against ur analyse about the blessing of god in marriage .
hope that u will keep writing , waiting ur answers on the most of topics!!!!!

hi all
there has been lots of good ideas, proposals and other.
i don't want to comment on everything.

it is established that sex is an act of love that reflects the unity of two love ones that bacame one.
i can say from what i have read that we are all against sex before mariage for different reasons, even though that we can 't say it is wrong (theologically speaking).
i just want to comment on Elias last message: The priest does not make two couples married, God does and most of the time "The spirit of God flows whatever he wants".
it tis the love and decisions of two persons that make them one and the priest makes the blessing of the JAMA3A and does not make them one, they make themself one with the blessing of God who is present at all time and is not waiting for the priest to do any signs on th ehead of two persons , usually, he has never met before.
but even though from my point of vue, sex between two should be after marriage for all the reasons mentioned by all the writers.

micho , i didn/t understand well ur idea! can u explain more!!!

anyway keep writing micho !!! wen hal ghaybeh!!!!

Eh Mish.
Bass baddeh waddi7 that I don't have a clear stand from this issue. I am not totally with nor totally against. although I am biased that a couple would have a sexual relation after getting married.

the marriage is related also to al jama3a and not only to God....
if God "made" the marriage without the information and the blessing of al jama3a, it is "zina"...

and if we have blessing of "al jama3a" without the blessing of God it is "Zina"...